I have so many thoughts. First, I can’t believe he said all those years ago that the nation Israel could also become an idol, as many are saying today. I love that. Also, I have been thinking lately what a dangerous thing, ironically, it is that this “jewish state” is so secular/non-religious, leaving out all the Jewish values that come from the “religious” part of it for the sake of nationalism, being Jewish just for the sake of—nothing? Victimhood?—which is indeed dangerous—as we are seeing.
I'm wondering if there's a downloadable haggadah emphasizing liberation appropriate for this year's seder. Anyone have recommendations? Help much appreciated.
“When Jews lost their land, the priorities of the festivals were inverted. The historical/miraculous became primary and the agricultural secondary. For him, this provided the Jews with a distinctive opportunity that can only be achieved by a de-territorialized collective. The focus on the historical/miraculous elements served as kind of moral training whereby the collective would develop a recognition that power is always a dangerous tool in the ones who have it (in the case of the Jews, through the experience of victimhood), and that power can be better expressed through a sense of one’s own powerlessness.
[As an aside, this is also an interesting way to understand why the sages choose the story of the miracle of the oil story on Hanukkah instead of celebrating the military victory of the Hasmoneans.]”
So, now, that is, currently, do we have three types of celebration? For example, (1) those of us in galus, who realize we need the miracles; (2) those who are in Israel but have no land to speak of; (3) those who have been working on Israeli Land and who do appreciate the products of It?
And regarding (2) and (3), do they each celebrate both products of The Land as well as the miracles HaShem wrought for us?
In name of judaism we not only starve and kill another people in Gaza and the West Bank , we support the entrenchment of fascism on our own shores by tearing down basic human for those who protest violence, Chag Samach? Really? What are we supposed to be joyous about?
Its mostly anger and shame that come up not Joy Shaul
I have so many thoughts. First, I can’t believe he said all those years ago that the nation Israel could also become an idol, as many are saying today. I love that. Also, I have been thinking lately what a dangerous thing, ironically, it is that this “jewish state” is so secular/non-religious, leaving out all the Jewish values that come from the “religious” part of it for the sake of nationalism, being Jewish just for the sake of—nothing? Victimhood?—which is indeed dangerous—as we are seeing.
I'm wondering if there's a downloadable haggadah emphasizing liberation appropriate for this year's seder. Anyone have recommendations? Help much appreciated.
Regarding your explanation:
“When Jews lost their land, the priorities of the festivals were inverted. The historical/miraculous became primary and the agricultural secondary. For him, this provided the Jews with a distinctive opportunity that can only be achieved by a de-territorialized collective. The focus on the historical/miraculous elements served as kind of moral training whereby the collective would develop a recognition that power is always a dangerous tool in the ones who have it (in the case of the Jews, through the experience of victimhood), and that power can be better expressed through a sense of one’s own powerlessness.
[As an aside, this is also an interesting way to understand why the sages choose the story of the miracle of the oil story on Hanukkah instead of celebrating the military victory of the Hasmoneans.]”
Is this a description of a change of mind,
brought about by G_D for our benefit?
So, now, that is, currently, do we have three types of celebration? For example, (1) those of us in galus, who realize we need the miracles; (2) those who are in Israel but have no land to speak of; (3) those who have been working on Israeli Land and who do appreciate the products of It?
And regarding (2) and (3), do they each celebrate both products of The Land as well as the miracles HaShem wrought for us?
Very interesting, just wondering why, though, or rather, is it ever possible to have or celebrate both?
In name of judaism we not only starve and kill another people in Gaza and the West Bank , we support the entrenchment of fascism on our own shores by tearing down basic human for those who protest violence, Chag Samach? Really? What are we supposed to be joyous about?
Its mostly anger and shame that come up not Joy Shaul