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Mark Roller's avatar

I think one way of understanding our situation is to recognize that "thinking without solutions" is the only possible response to the much larger poly crisis of which the crisis in Judaism is just one part; a complex of intersecting crises so complex that our minds cannot encompass it, rendering solution seeking ultimately futile. All the ideologies of the past 2 or 300 years are failing, or have failed. Our attempts to realize these failed dreams of human betterment--communism, capitalism, socialism, liberalism, conservatism, Zionism--have so disrupted the bio-geo-sphere that the poly crisis is in the final analysis a crisis in the history of life on this planet. This is so immense that it is impossible to say what the world will be like in 100 years--the future we are heading into is unimaginable. But leaders, political or civic, cannot think this way. They will always look for solutions, near term plans and policies, that is their self-conceived role. In a world where every choice is, increasingly, a bad choice, their solutions are becoming more and more desperate, even nihilistic. Our concern as Jews is that this manifests most clearly in Israel's current regime's growing determination to eliminate perceived threats to its existence--the Palestinians, Iran, etc-with extreme prejudice. This end times belief that final solutions are the only solutions throws the Zionist project itself into question for some, while for others it is its inevitable realization. (Trump shares this same impulse--to cut all the Gordian knots of recent history, and be done with it... As if that "solves" anything...)

In Shaul's essay, he refers to Judaism as a wisdom tradition. At the risk of sounding naive, why can't we make that central to our identities as Jews? Why all this contention over Zionism, Israel, and the state of American Jewry, when the convulsions of the coming decades make it highly uncertain that in the end Zionism, Israel, and America will even exist a century from now? If anything gets the Jews through what's coming, it will be our long history of making and remaking ourselves within the framework of 3000 years of thinking and rethinking our place in the world. A fortress state in the middle east will not save us, nor will fortress mentalities in the Diaspora. I see the gathering in Manhattan as a valuable attempt to find the common ground that binds us together. Endless contention on that common ground, yes, schism, excommunication, no...

Yossi Fleisher's avatar

Not much time to respond. Bringing in Shabbat in Israel after some last minute time in a bomb shelter. You and your cohorts are the ones who will end up in the dust bin of Jewish history. No wonder you start off with a quote from Arendt, who worshiped her own intellect and saw herself above identifying with a people or nation. The nerve of your getting together to mourn the demise of Zionism while half of the Jewish people are threatened by Iranian missiles. What a sorry lot you are.

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