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Jennifer Loewenstein's avatar

An interesting piece. Not unlike when the MAGAts, especially at the top, rail on about the “radical left scum” or “antifa” while unleashing some of the worst public violence (and rhetoric) in decades against the people they claim are ruining America. In the latter case, however, there is little evidence that the said “scum” are doing much to harm this country; rather they are objecting to the destruction of a society by quasi-fascist representatives of an authoritarian government.

Equally, the divide Magid refers to has been somewhat mischaracterized. Anyone genuinely familiar with HAMAS will know that the movement has never called for all Jews to get out of Palestine. Despite a now superseded charter & the angry claims of some people - possibly sympathetic to HAMAS - the latter movement has long expressed its willingness to coexist peacefully with the Jewish State under circumstances that are reasonable, such as having their own independent state or the end of Israel’s crippling occupation & the right to govern themselves. As with Islam in general, there is no innate hatred of Jews as Jews within the HAMAS movement despite the comments of some of its members. The ire is reserved for Zionism and the supremacist nature of its modern incarnation.

This is not to exonerate HAMAS or whitewash its crimes. Having lived in Gaza both before and after the HAMAS victory in 2006, I can point out many specific examples of why HAMAS should be condemned. For example, before it came to power one could visit Gaza and go wherever one liked- walk along the beaches, visit different refugee camps, shop along Omar Al Mukhtar street or step into cafes and restaurants, etc. for a pleasant conversation or meal. After HAMAS’ victory, a foreigner needed a “minder” to go anywhere like in the old East Bloc countries. People would often whisper to me their objections to HAMAS telling me awful stories of its treatment of anyone not openly supportive of the movement. A good (Gazan) friend of mind wrote an article critical of HAMAS’ censorship and failure to respect universal human rights. He was met that night by masked HAMAS henchmen who beat him bloody. When he did not retract his article even after this experience, he was set upon another night by an even more violent gang and was stabbed so severely he ended up in hospital for days. This is what HAMAS is on a day to day basis for the people of Gaza. It is ruthless against anyone critical of it and intolerant of political pluralism on all levels. These are reasons to object to the movement not some imagined universal hatred of Jews. [Perhaps I should mention I’m Jewish and interviewed - back in 2006 - Ghazi Hamad, Ismail Haniyeh, & Mahmoud Zahar (a seriously unattractive personality) and was always treated respectfully. Of course I know people will say this was only because I was a westerner. The fact of HAMAS’ many writings & public statements stating explicitly that their objections were not to Jews, people of the book [Bible], but to Zionists, is always glossed over by it’s detractors who say “yeah, right” -dismissing the facts that exist. What I am describing here is what I’ve seen with my own eyes or read in documented materials.]

After the horrors of the past 2-3 years especially, it remains to be seen if HAMAS’ official statements will change, but until then it is simply untrue that HAMAS wanted all the Jews out of Palestine, as Magid writes above. The KACH party is a far worse example of hatred and violence than HAMAS ever has been. Perhaps I should also mention that I met Rabbi Meir Kahane personally and attended two of his horrific lectures in which he voiced his hateful & supremacist views as blatantly as one can imagine. This was a man who spoke of the children of mixed marriages as “cancer”. I’ve never heard or read anything as revolting out of the mouths of HAMAS officials or supporters. This should have been brought out in the article.

One has to wonder at those calling for a “one state” or even “two-state” solution to the Israeli Palestinian crisis after watching, in real time, a genocidal strategy being implemented by the government of Israel on the people of Gaza - and to an only slightly lesser extent in Jerusalem and the West Bank. No sane people in the world would want to live in or beside a Nazi state that has literally attempted their physical destruction and wholesale expulsion from their land. Before anything can move in a positive or healing direction the present Israeli state must be completely dismantled the way Germany was after WWII. Palestinians should not be expected to reside in or alongside a state that has called for and attempted to implement their extermination. I would have thought this an obvious point, but to date I’ve only heard one serious scholar of these issues (Mouin Rabbani) make a strong and convincing case for this.

John Costello's avatar

One can view 10/7 as an unforgivable act of violence on the part of Hamas, or an inevitable byproduct of 77 years of oppression. The second case is more comprehensive and condemnable. 77 years during which the inevitable could have been forestalled and thousands of young Palestinian men prevented from being driven to resist by any means vs expecting them to accept being cheated out of full lives forever.

You've chosen to view the last case as acceptable because it serves your purpose. They chose violence even though that served your purpose as well, that because you didn't really give them a choice, did you?

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